Breaking into Production: The Art of Storytelling on Screen // Evan B. Stone #10242

In this episode of Breaking the Biz, we sit down with Evan B. Stone, a powerhouse in the world of production, cinematography, and documentary filmmaking. From groundbreaking projects like Expedition Unknown, Naked & Afraid, and Shark Week to his Emmy-winning work, Evan shares his journey of breaking into the entertainment industry, crafting compelling stories, and navigating the challenges of producing award-winning content. With decades of experience spanning The Amazing Race to Al Gore’s Current TV, Evan’s insights will inspire aspiring filmmakers and storytellers alike. Tune in to hear about the creative process behind some of your favorite shows, the importance of persistence, and his advice for empowering diverse voices in media.

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My name is Evan B. Stone. I'm an adventure filmmaker and I've been in it all my life and now I'm an AI post production workflow expert—cutting edge tech and filmmaking. Here on Breaking the Biz Podcast![Music][AI Narrator] -– Stay tuned for today's episode of Breaking the Biz. An informative podcast where we dive into the world of entertainment by interviewing seasoned professionals who have made their mark in the industry. Gain invaluable insights as they share their personal journeys. Offering advice on navigating the dynamic landscape of the entertainment industry. Whether you're an aspiring actor, musician, filmmaker, author, animator or any creative soul, tune in for expert career guidance, insider tips and firsthand accounts on breaking into the entertainment industry. Get ready to unlock the secrets behind successful careers and fuel your own passion for the limelight. Please remember to like this video and to subscribe to our channels for more great conversations.[Host] – Greetings from Breaking the Biz, brought to you by Yes I Can Unity Through Music and Education. I'm William Felber, your navigator through the intriguing universe of the entertainment industry as revealed by the visionaries and creators who bring it to life. Stay tuned as we delve into diverse insights from the forefront of entertainment. Hearing from pioneers, creators and agents of change. Prepare for a journey filled with tales of innovation, resilience and the undying quest for artistic brilliance.[Moderator] – We have got a great guest. We have Evan B. Stone, who is an Emmy award-winning film & TV producer. He is known for producing, editing and filming networks'

award-winning content. Credits include: 1:53

Executive Director for Al Gore's Current TV Show Producer Amazing Race Executive Producer of Development, Ping Pong Productions, nominated Editor of the Year for MTV, Director of Photography for Expedition Unknown, Naked and Afraid, Shark Week, American Ninja Warrior, Beyond Oak Island. 30 major documentary awards including Emmy Award, New York Film Festival Gold Hugo Award and many others. And as Evan just mentions, kind of shifting into a new world of AI. So I want to thank you so much Evan for, for joining us. Thank you. This is cool lot to talk about right now for the folks listening, you want to, you know, "break it in the biz". You know first of all you have to look at what is the biz right right now. It's not what it used to be, it's. It's social media. Is a new filmmaker as a content creator and I tell you this very exciting time. When I first started I started in skate films and it was direct to the, to the our customers. Our genre so to speak is like to the skate shops to the skaters they it was their and it's a VHS tape independent Filmmakers would sell it and would make a profit. And it was amazing. Well, we're kind of back there. You know, I've had a long career in professional television and now it's pretty much. It's different. You know, it is not. The work isn't like. It's not like a full set anymore. And all this stuff. It's. Now things are different. You know, the. The filmmaker that the person who has the camera and can edit can be moved through. Just listen with their ears and film and then piece it together real quick and get it out. There are the people who are winning right now. And that's cool. So that's what I was in the early days. And I'm back. I love it. So let's talk about it. Skateboarding. You know, skateboarding videos were the coolest. You could just capture a bunch of stuff on the street, different tricks, add in some of the upcoming artists musically. And is that. That's how you got your foot in the door? Yeah. It was actually rollerblading in the 90s. We did the top like extreme rollerblade films. The Hoax. The Hoax. One of these. These films were shot in 16 millimeter and beta cam. Always best. It was actually up for an Edinburgh Film Festival award, Best of the fest. And it's. And it was just because I started in music videos really like and then I went to skate films. So this look and style that I had kind of always goes with me which is B roll and with some music cues. It's very, you know, kind of styled on music cues. So yeah, it's. It's a great.

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11. We broke a bunch of bands at the time just because, you know, you didn't have to pay because the band started was cool. So you can keep it on there, you know if you're cool. If you're in skateboards. And that was. It was cool. So if you all want to check it out, it's called hoax 2 inline. Yeah. And that's. You can find it on the Internet and you'll see. Let's talk about. Let's talk about some of the music videos you mentioned. You also got your foot in the door working in editing and filming in and on music videos. What artist did you work with? We can start. I think we're skipping a little like breaking in the biz. I was just a little short how I got into the business. My. My dad was a commercial director. I was born on the set. Right. But when was a PA and then like everyone else but it was a Little harder for me to get in the biz because back in the day there's no. It was gatekeeping. No. So don't tell him. They might take your job. It was very. It's the only way to get in was music videos. You have to maybe do a friend's, a baby band or something, someone hopefully they break. Well, that happened to me at a band called White Trash. Their song is Apple Pie. It went on, it got on mtv. It was just a demo that got picked up by Elektra. And then they used the video. This is my big break, right? I did for nothing and they used the video and it went on buzz bin rotation on MTV and. And all of a sudden I was a thing and I got a call from Jeffrey Panzer at EMI Records group, a young 24 year old guy from New York, saying, you want to come out work for me. And that was the SBK Chrysalis and EMI was at a being in house director and I was just like, whoa, that's what got me to la. And so it's the breaks you get in the beginning, right? And, and it's the projects you do for free, it's the passion projects that always move you forward, whether you make money on or not. It's those are always like, even now I do free stuff all the time just because that's the stuff that'll move you forward. You know, it's a hustle. You know, the days of getting on a set and being the cameraman or the AC and on a like, you know, for seasons is old school and it's still out there and it's a craft and but my, my path has always been camera in my hand, listen to audio and tell a story non scripted, not, not with actors, just real, real documentary style. And so I've been just. That's just my thing. And so you did, you did music videos, you get the break. You mentioned doing it for free, which I love that you mentioned that because in the beginning, obviously you got to get your foot in the door. You got to get experience, you got to get people to see that you do work hard and you've got the talent. You mentioned getting the foot in the door with EMI gets you out to la. How do you get your, how do you start with the documentaries? Well, you know, one thing, because I did the music videos, there was a small news organization that I knew the owner just by someone else. They recommended me because I have a certain style and they wanted to do documentaries in that style so kids can, can relate to It. So they took, someone had a good thought, you know, let's take this music video director and have him do documentaries. And since I, you know, I'm who I am, I wasn't not just a shooter or editor, I'm like, what's this documentary about? Let's get, let's get in there and get the sound bites. And you know, I kind of get immersed in it. And that's when I started getting the documentaries and right away started winning awards. It was for Channel one News. It was in school programming for high school kids who's a businesses. And some of the people listening probably had it in their classrooms. And as another break, you know, I always say there's about five people in your life, five that believe in you so much, they'll hire you on every job they do. They get it, they call you because you're part of how their, their secret sauce, you know. So try to get some good clients early on. Every single time you go, don't mess up because that will be it. I could be working on expedition alone for five seasons. If I mess up, I'm not gonna be hired back, period. So you mess up once, twice, you're probably not gonna work again. But you, you have to be a perfectionist. You have to go into these sets obsessed with what, what do you, what do they want? You know, what's the output? I know everyone I work with is, has to be that way. And then you take that into your other lives and you're like, oh, this pizza place wants a, a social media post. Well, you just attack it the same way. And all of a sudden it's this magic. And he's like, well, can you do more for me? Then you're thinking, maybe I'll try a subscription based thing, right? Maybe, you know, these are all things you have the skills to make it now. So it's, it's a gift that you can give people too. Okay. Yeah. So from that you, I mean you, you do a little bit of, of everything. So you did the education component and filmed which was in the classrooms. And I love that it's another example of you might want to do one type of production, filming or a genre. But you have to be open minded in order to take on different projects. And obviously going from skateboarding, music videos to education, that's a great example of just doing a little bit of everything. And they did. And it all's funny because it all flows into what I'm doing now. It's like every step to what happened leads to something Else, you know, because isn't it, isn't it about getting your message out? Is a filmmaker, isn't it about whatever that message is, whether it's for money and advertising or you're trying to social issue. So it's very powerful tool real. I mean the most powerful. Let's face it. I mean what's going on with social media? If you can master the art of a 30 second something, you're gold. And yeah, and it's funny you mentioned that, right. Because everything now and, and I know you're gonna. We'll get to where you are currently. But you said 30 second sound bites. I mean that's honestly the attention span that most individuals have right now due to social media. They get everything in just a sound bite. So it's you know those 20 seconds, 10 seconds scrolling through the phone and you have to get that message across in order to captivate an audience, to click on it and watch whether you like it or not. It's contemporary. It's what I mean when I was growing up, you got to hold it off the reveal first three minutes. Let him just wait. There's no way. And then why wouldn't you change? You're a storyteller, right? You what's going. You move with what the language of film, whether it's reality, which is, you know, more wide angle, follow the ball or is it cinematic? Long lens or foreground element, you know, what does that lens? What are you trying to tell it, in what mood? And then you pick it all because you're so good, you can pick each one. And so I'm going to do this. This, that's a real director, you know, I want to do this. Now it's. You might be the slick director, but that scene calls for something rough and handheld. You got to know when to change. And not my case. If I want to tell my stories, they're going to be shorter. They're going to be for social media period. Now I personally right now have almost 2 million followers on my socials because I because of what I'm doing and it's, you know, I use AI post production workflow. I use tools to help me do that as a single as a one person band. And that's using transcriptions basically to put into ChatGPT and have it work with me to matching back to the. To premiere text based editing. If you all know about any of that, it's pretty cool. I want to talk about that because there's so many people who go, oh my God, AI, it's going to take away my, my job. And you're an individual who's thriving off of it. And, and what I've heard from individuals, they say once you understand AI it takes a, it takes someone with a brain and to guide it to do what you need it to do to work for you. And you're obviously at that level. Well, we could take your podcast series, right. And transcribe it all and then say, oh, you know, I've been ask correlations between all of them. What's, what's some of the things that are. That always comes back how we got started maybe. So now you can just quickly get all the sound bites together from all your. It could be 100 hours of stuff and, and then match it back at it. Right. So within 10 minutes you can have a rough cut or a string out. Obviously you put your hands all over it with the music and, and when someone talks, they kind of open it up a little bit. That's editing. Getting the sound bites together is, is really hard to do, especially if a lot of footage and if you're not really like, I mean, but this disorganizes it. You know, it's your piece, you're doing what you want with it. But I love it. We're at that point where we have over, you know, 350, close to 400 guest speakers. Oh yeah, that's. That's absolutely a fantastic tool. Which would then, I mean, otherwise that's going to take almost a year putting together. It's not. It's going backwards ever. So now you have these tools, what I just told you. I'll. I'll give you a list of what you need and it's real straightforward. Probably the, the platform you're working with has transcriptions already. It's all you need and maybe you banked it. But you know, there's also huge growth in. For the folks listening, just getting into the business with content creation for small businesses, you, you know, in your neighborhood you can get, it's a subscription based maybe 40 bucks a month. You get five posts, you get a couple of stories in a carousel. And if they don't know anything like, because most of these places don't. They need, they need to get into it. They don't know how. Meanwhile, you're a filmmaker, right? Yeah. You'll do your other stuff on the side with actors and all that. But to make some money, you can use your skills real quick and learn editing and everything real quick and be very lucrative. That's the. You don't have to be a college expert. You just got, you don't even have to know to edit so much. You just get on chat and ask your questions. You go get your phone, a good phone and you can do it all with that. It's cool. It's a really cool time. I love it. No, so let's, let's jump back. So you, I mean you're doing stuff with Shark Week. Naked and Afraid. Are these all different platforms? Are you, you know, freelancing? Did you stay with one company? Talk me through kind of your career roadmap? Right? Freelancer for sure. Well, even though I have my own company, it's, it's, it's me and the whole company. It's always been that way. And you don't know, you don't go on staff for these companies. I usually work for Discovery Channel mostly. Josh Gates from Expedition Unknown is my best friend. We've been doing shows for 15 years now on the road, all mysteries of the world. We did Destination Truth first which is like a ghost hunting kind paranormal show mixed with dabble in cryptids and stuff like that. And then we got into Expedition Unknown which is science based adventure travel. And you name it, I've been there in every weird cave and all that. Because here's a good thing is something to talk about is two loves. I was a climber when I was young, rock climbing and mountaineering and started with Knowles National Outdoor Leadership School when I was young. And it put the zap on me as a city kid from New York. And then so I had this climbing kind of thing bug and then filmmaking's on, you know, on the side, not on the side, but you know, same kind of, you know. And then I, I started getting work in adventure travel because of my skills and I could do like I like to, I like it when it gets rough, you know, because there's no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothing, you know, So I learned that early on. Then it's like, oh, I got good clothing. I could do anything. So when I started getting Expedition Unknown, I was the man for the job. You know, we're rappelling down long caves, we're hiking two days straight to real expeditions. And because I'm a climber and rope safety and general safety, it, it, it is, you put, you get right up on the list. And when you're on this list, it's only like five or ten of us that are like who can dive and who can do all this stuff and film and it's, it's, I've been up there for a while. It's cool. It's fun being that crazy adventurous every, every month, you know, something new. I love, I love that your job aligns with the passion. Obviously New York and skateboarding and then obviously being able to, to climb up a mountain, down a mountain and get into a cave. I mean like you're the, the Indiana Jones with the camera. The biggest, the biggest caves in the world, the biggest mysteries, you name it, from Amelia Earhart to you know, first humans and running with the Hotzer tribe. And friend of mine, Diego, who got me on this, he is one of our cameramen and he's right there with us running around. It's fun. So let's talk about that. Right? So you get, obviously it's your company. You get picked up to work on a show or a project and then you bring on the rest of your team. Not really. In those instances we get hired by the production company. So you got to have relations with the people hiring in each company. You have to send them your real and kind of keep up on things. Otherwise then forget who you are. You have to sell yourself a lot in this business. A lot. You can't just be talented. No way. You gotta nowadays get a social media presence and be the expert of whatever you're doing. And they'll come. Even if they don't. It's not a. The whole thing's changed. It's about doing yourself. It's about creating your own brand. I mean that's what I'm doing now. So. And I'm kind of. The business to me is so change you if you go in a traditional way. There is none anymore. It's, it's, it's all changing right now. And, and I think for the good for people like us folks listening and myself that you don't need to know about that stuff. Maybe. Okay. You need to get a job at, as a this and that at a company that doesn't. They don't. Not even doing it anymore. So right now it's a big transition. Everything's going to subscription based programming, niche stuff. What you're doing here is like that's the kind of programming. It's not network television. Not. We're not talking about streamers like you know, you know, different ones like you know, Disney or streaming or whatever. We're talking about networked. The abc, NBC, that stuff. No one's watching the commercials and stuff. That's. They're out there. People are working of course, but the numbers are down because everyone's on Their phone. Yeah, no, it's definitely a big shift in the industry. And subscription based, everything is. It was crazy as we used to decline or get upset with the cable bill because it got up to like a hundred dollars and you're like, I'm over Dish Network or what have you. But now if you start to add up all of these subscriptions that you have $20 on Netflix and you're oh y. Max and the, you know, it, it all adds up to the exact same thing. But you can get your content quick and everybody wants things quickly. Right. That's why, that's. Everything's moving to that. Get it quick. You don't have time. So that it makes total sense. My son, my son who's 16, you don't watch any of that other stuff. It's just YouTube. So now we're down to like one platform, you know, which is a great platform. So that's the, that's even younger than us, dude. That's what's coming up right now. Is there. Ask any kid under 17 what they're doing and watching YouTube and they're watching a process driven stuff, maybe you know, like niche programming, let's just say, you know, and it's, it's, that's where the money is. And if, if you're gonna be a filmmaker out here, like what's the what who am I going to. And what's the genre and what's their style? And let me see if you know, that's all just basic stuff that you'll be successful doing. So you brought up YouTube and I want to talk about that for a second. A lot of individuals have these ideas and they, they want to wait for the right time to release their project. But I'm going to think that you're going to be the individual who says you got a platform, a free one there on YouTube. Put your content out there. Because you mentioned the young individuals are watching YouTube, it's free and they're. I'll use an example. On YouTube, I have a six year old daughter and she watches the, the unboxing of tools. Yeah. And you start looking at the followers and how many people have watched. I mean the last video she was watching, there were 250 million views on YouTube, like just opening, opening up things or ASMR clicking on the microphone. Like those people are making a good amount of money. Right? Niche, it's niche programming. Find your niche. And niches are big, you know, and that's just what I'm learning. And for me it's, I'VE pivoted about eight months ago when I, I kind of saw the writing on the wall and I dab. I'm a paranormal investigator too. And, and I, because of the shows, I've been on my, my fan page, which I didn't start. They want me to do a show. So I said, all right, I'm gonna start. So I did a YouTube show and it's blowing up and I'm doing all the production, just myself shooting with my phone. I'm throwing it into different AI products to get it close so I can edit it. So it's, it's cool what's going on out there. I'd say you don't need anything but your camera. I mean your phone. You really don't. IPhone 15. Get the iPhone 16. It's the word. It's great. It's gonna be AI infused and it looks amazing. You go on YouTube, you can't. And they do different stuff. Red camera and, and you can't tell the difference. So. Yeah. Let's talk about Shark Week. You mentioned you love caves. You love climbing down mountains. You have a love for sharks. Or is that like. Tell me, talk me through that. Well, that one, I was with William Shatner. Bill. I was with Bill Shatner and he, he came out with us and, and dove shark dive. When it comes to actual diving with sharks, I don't do it. It's these specialty guys, these two guys that Discovery only hires and they're awesome. They're like cowboys. One has a big bite mark on his chest like they got him and they're just daring. They jump in right with it. They're nuts. And I'll. Maybe after this I'll, I'll send you their links on Instagram. You should definitely have the fans follow them. They're fun. They're fun guys. One of his name's Foe and he's this, this great guy and they're, they're, they're really different. Once this old kind of guy and he's, and he has the bite mark and the other guy's this good looking tall guy and he's just. I think it takes that. But hanging out with Bill Shatner, Williams my. For a week was just nuts. He's great. One of the cool things about this business, you, you will be with the most famous people and they're all like you. He said, oh, I wonder if they're, you know, not cool and you hang out with them. They're like, they're awesome most always. So it's a good lifestyle. For sure. I love it. You know, when I think of shark diving, I think of Ocean Ramsay, who's just a beautiful girl who, you know, swims with the sharks and has no fear. But, yeah, it's crazy, right? And that goes back to the social media, just being able to follow someone and their adventures. Speaking of. Speaking of paranormal, because I know you're into that. I just stumbled upon a video where a medium calls out and has guides who bring individuals. And I don't know the name of the individual, but they were talking to Tupac, talking to Matthew Perry. Do you know who I'm talking about? Those mediums are crazy, though. Yeah, yeah, I've had one. Call me. I'll be like, your grandmother says it's fine. You know, like, really? This one. This one had Matthew Perry and he was talking to him and like, you. Can you. You. The. It's not like. It's very clear where you can understand what you. Like, they drug me. They. They. I would. No, he literally said, I love that. And they were talking about ketamine and, you know, like. And he. He made a comment like, I feel now foolish. And Shannon Doherty was. Was called upon. And it. The way it works is it's almost like a. Like a sound wave and then it comes through. Yeah, I don't. What I'm into is trying to capture it on film. I'm not one to go in a room and feel anything. I'm like, I set up my cameras and my EVPs and I get the evidence, and that's all. That's all I do. And. And so I stay in my lane because I. But I'm glad to hear that, you know, you're really capturing real stuff. When sometimes people watch things and they go, oh, that's got to be. Yeah, but. But you're going and checking into some real heavy stuff. What's the crazy. What's the craziest thing you've captured in that element? Crazy things happened to me in destination truth. About 15 years ago. I got, like, blown back by a ghost. We were doing this thing where they filmed me in, like, a field and the crew was on camera and they had. They had eyes on me at base camp. And that 20 minutes I just flew back. And I don't remember much what happened after they found me in the woods, kind of blacked out. So that was like my first week on set. I was like, what is this ghost hunting thing? Oh, no. What did I get myself into? But since then, I've been chasing. Trying to contact someone. That's on the other side. That's my why is trying to, you know, little contact with someone. So that's my, you know, reason why I do it. But. And I'm just trying to get some evidence. You know, it's cool. On YouTube, it's SVC Explorers of the Unknown on YouTube and on tick Tock. We got it. We go tick tock live. We go ghost hunting live. It's really cool stuff. The, the audience is the other cool filmmaking thing. The audience is part of it. They're. They're telling me what to do as I do it. So we have almost 10,000 people at a time on and we're growing. We just. Man, so much cool stuff's going on in that world for me. And it's not traditional filmmaking, right. It's live broadcasting. It's. It's little nuggets that, you know, that we get out of our podcasts. It's. It's getting just a post like this to be cutting up. It's just trying to get out there so I can be. Take out my sled camera and just show off. So I mean, that's what you want, right? But let's get an audience first, right? You're not going to do it to just your moms and stuff. Okay, talk me through winning. Winning an Emmy. Well, I work for Al Gore's Current tv. It's a social issue documentary channel. And I was employee number five, I think I, I helped build the. The brand and we got. It was cool and the, the network won it and I was a big part of that. So yeah, that and a token will get you on a subway. Right? So let's, let's talk about documentary you mentioned earlier and, and you like to tell the story. Any filmmaker, producer, editor, it's all about the story. Was there a story that stumbled upon you that you were like, I have to tell this story. People need to know about it? Yeah, there's one right now that I'd love to do. It's about the Hotza tribe there. This is the last story before I got to go back into the edit room. This is. There's a hot tribe, the last hunter gatherer tribe in. In the world. They're out of Tanzania. And during Expedition Unknown, we're doing a piece on last humans, what made humans humans, which is a real fluke. What happened. Basically we were just an offset of all these other kind of things. It was like Middle Earth at one point, but we were good, the best at killing everyone. So we got rid of all our enemies. And then it was just us. But anyhow, we met this Hotza tribe and we went hunting with them. When we ran with them, hunting all morning. We're in good shape. Or running, shooting. They were killing stuff. It was like, whoa, he's awesome. And then on the way back, I was just thinking they lived real traditional and I thought, huh, about two months they're going to be wearing FUBU shirts. You know, like some just the encroaching. I said, that's a good documentary. The last hunter Gatherer tribe. The hots of tribe. I think. I think that's a real good. Maybe split screen was like a modern mom trying to get by having her issues, you know, like just, you know, kind of a poetic kind of thing. But that'd be cool. Okay. Maybe we could start something. Yeah. Yeah. Amen. I got a whole crew free for you, so we'll. We'll have to. We'll have to talk. I appreciate you get me back on the show. Maybe get some comments. I'll come back. I'd love to come back. I'm also into some AI post production workflow. I'm looking for some tech kids who like to create images on, you know, Runway or Luma Dream Machine playing. You know, this is real cutting edge stuff right now to tell stories. It's really cool time. And it's not. It's. It's not. It's maybe staying home and you're doing on your computer being the expert at something that's cool. Yeah. No, Evan, you are. You are a fantastic speaker and a. Honestly, the fact that you have been able to pivot and do what you're doing is a great example for someone who is trying to get into this biz and understand you got to be ahead of the. The wa. Otherwise it's going to crash on you. And it sounds like your knowledge of AI is most definitely staying afloat in front of the wave. So I want, I want to thank you for your time tonight and good luck on the project you're working on. We look forward to following you before you leave. How can give me your Instagram handles so everyone can follow you. Stone Films Earth. Stone Films Earth and. And Unanswered Universe. Unanswered Underscore Universe. It's. We have about 1.2 million followers on Instagram. It's is. We're monetizing it right now. We're doing some really good original content and you're going to see if you want to know more, what I'm doing. It's about to just that webs that. That Instagram account's about to just turn to original programming. It's gonna be cool. Last question for you before you go. What's the biggest piece of advice you wish you could give to a younger Evan with all that you have learned? Be obsessed and passionate about every project. This, if you don't, like, want to do it, it's not the right one, but find that project and don't give up on it. Finish it and then move on. And don't leave unattended stuff. And an idea could happen real quick and you can shoot it real quick and edit it real quick nowadays, so I wouldn't labor too much over it, but just go all in on it. Perfect. On that note, go all in, everyone. I know we all have questions, but we do have to be respectful. Evan is actually working right now. He did make special time for us. We will work to find to bring Evan back, and we. You guys can get the questions out. All right, on that note, thank you for joining us on Breaking the Biz tonight. Have a great one. Bye, Evan. Bye now. Thank you. Bye. Bye.[Host] – As we conclude another enriching episode, we hope you found inspiration in the stories shared today. Let's take a moment to honor Yes I Can's role in bringing Breaking The Biz to life. Yes I Can's commitment to empowering young people with disabilities through education, advocacy, and mentorship shines brightly, paving paths of opportunity and dialogue. This podcast celebrates the organization's dedication to nurturing talent and facilitating impactful discussions. Breaking The Biz is more than a podcast. It's a part of Yes I Can's broader mission to amplify voices, dismantle barriers, and craft a world that's more inclusive and accessible for everyone. Each episode is a chapter in our shared narrative of progress, education, and empowerment, driven by the spirit of Yes I Can. 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